Maths – There Should Be More Of Them

It is not lost on this chap that …

… in the US, one studies Math, whilst in the UK, one studies Maths.

Now, not to be pernicity, but I do think the English have it since it is clear there are many Maths that can be studied. Take this exchange for example – which emerged on an email list I belong to. Quite why this chap is on that list to begin with, is a totally different story, which we may – or may not – elect to cover in a future dialogue. What is clear is that this is a math that is not part of some other maths that he does know about.


“I’ve been wondering, since irrational numbers are infinitely long, and non-repeating, must any finite sequence of digits exist somewhere in this infinite sequence? For example, looking for “10” in π, we find,
… but what if I wanted a sequence of zeros and ones that would spell out all of Shakespeare a million times, back to back?”


“No, they need not.
For any particular irrational or transcendental number, it can be very difficult to determine what if any regularities there are in the sequence of digits that may make it impossible to find any particular desired sequence in there.”


“Irrational numbers don’t need to possess the quality of including any finite digit sequence in a fixed-base expansion. For example, the following (in decimal)
is of course irrational, but doesn’t contain even a single digit 2. Normal numbers have all possible finite sequences uniformly represented and therefore have the property of containing them all. There are many examples of normal numbers, such as a zero followed by a decimal point followed by concatenation of all integers, and pi is conjectured to be normal, but this is not yet proven, to my knowledge.”


“As far as I remember, it is an open question whether any finite sequence appears in the expansion of π. In principle however, sure, why not? Infinity is very long indeed – but it does not follow from the fact that the expansion is not repeating.”


“Technically, ‘toan’ only required a “disjunctive sequence”: ]
… though of course normal numbers’ decimal expansions are disjunctive sequences.”


“Actually, there are un-countable many irrational numbers whose sequences contain every finite sequence of numbers *except* for those that contain Shakespeare.”


(perhaps even with a ‘drop-o-the-mic’)
“… of course, but for any such (rational or irrational number) you have (countably) infinitely many that do.”

This chap is very glad that there are people out there that will be able to understand this exchange.

Graham comments …
… that he’s happy for the other Chap that his friends are trending along similar lines of geekdom. Not quite the same at this end … as one of this Chap’s own wrote,

“So what is the point about Möbius strips anyway?”

and for good measure added …


At least at your end somebody understands.

Ahem … are you sure?

  • TomE

    I think it could be argued that in most schools, very little math is studied at all.

    What is referred to is math is mostly just arithmetic, maybe with some basic algebra.

    Most of the functions in the cool graphic could be categorized that way.

    On the other hand, I’d be happy if a bit more probability is taught, and quantitative literacy — base rates please! — were taught.

    • I think we could start to teach ‘quantitative literacy’ after we have covered off ‘literacy’ which though off topic – and all together ‘another thing’ … is very much in need.

    • this chap would add that ‘base rates’ is surely a specific example of ‘rithmetic … applied. the problem is that teaching maths in the abstract is easy to do – but hard to learn and/or even harder to apply. as such taught serially is close to impossible and to learn in parallel … similarly.

  • TomE

    BTW, you deserve extra credit for opening this discussion on pi day.

    (We’re having a cherry pie for dessert tonight. Great for breakfast too.)

      • Graham Watson

        “Even in a flat world they would have circles…” — hmmm…
        “In Flatland, the men are all polygons, and the women are lines. The fewer equal sides a person contains, the lower the class in society. Isosceles triangles are the lowest order and form the working class and the soldiers. Equilateral triangles, because they are more regular form the merchant class. Squares are lawyers (as is the proclaimed author of this work – A Square). Pentagons are doctors and progressive numbers of sides, up to virtual circles, move up higher in leadership and governance. The circles form a sort of nobility. The more sides there happen to be, the more intelligent and educated they are supposed to be.”

        • The chaps obviously have FlatLand on the brain this morning … Doc Watson should review the Google Doc (pun full intended) that this chap posted this morning where reference is made to the publication

          Meanwhile – other readers should know that the Google Doc will eventually become a post on this site – albeit a totally different kind of post to the usual post – it is – I guess – ‘another thing’ … entirely.

        • oh and might this chap formerly welcomed the other chap to ‘disqus world’

          ….. see what I did there ?

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